my sanctions are one part of the solution that the world seems to have settled on the second is military alliances there's nato of course we saw the birth of the august last year uh we are going to have a quad summit although the quad countries say that this is not a military alliance the chinese call it the asian nato would you say that such military alliances are really making the world safer i think if there is a dangerous country or the dangerous person we have to protect myself or ourselves so we need protection which means not all and i really respect that the president and prime minister of finland they are going to request that finland is going to join the nato and also the sweden so what putin president putin's aspect is really his guess and his hunch was wrong because uh after the corona covet 19 situation even the japan is going to try to think to double the budget for the defense even the japan japan you know stays long time for one percent of gdp but it's going to be doubled how about the european countries how about another country they really tried to you know challenging themselves to protect their lives from the the the the country and the leader who is going to try to use atomic bombs in 21st century again to the humans that's not really understandable for the japanese people and myself so i think i hope of course we'd like to don't use a guns or weapons and we need no more bread proof best but unfortunately some you know the members try to kill some not just the spies or about the humans try to use poisoning some politicians opponents that's you know crazy in the 21st century we learn the 20th century that we are not going to use or do some fighting against each other but for example the former president of iran ahmadinejad i really difficult to understand his words i'm sorry but truly if he said the peace why always against israel why the iranians tried to bomb our japan related tankers who import or export oil from middle east why they aiming and bombing our even our commercial chunkers so i'd like to ask the world's leaders get come come together and talk if you'd like to smack his face smack in front of them that is you know saving lives of the soldiers or the citizens if you do you do you want you don't want to hit the smack just you know scissors stone paper and decide this is the world peace that's very interesting advice on a forum that is called mission peace thank you thank you audience when you see what's happening in ukraine when you see the kind of threats that countries like taiwan face or the threat perception that the japanese have um you know after the second world war the world said never again but the world finds itself at the same crossroads do you see history repeating itself marco mentioned the term frozen conflict do you believe that ukraine is caught in a frozen conflict and and you relate to what's happening that it's become it's become uh the the center of another proxy war you know history is uh repeating in different forms but the question is we have to learn from the history why aren't we the reason is that it is a failure of governance in most of these countries and also exclusion of people from decision-making so it will ended up with the dictatorship and when that's happened then there's a ground for uh all kind of other actors to play so that was uh the problem when i see you know from afghanistan in the region here it is a failure of governance because it was a more political problem it was uh but we the world then trying after that to find a technical solution for a political problem and that doesn't work afghanistan is a good example because we have seen uh you know the russian the soviet union occupation there the intervention of the u.s you know thousand hundred thousands of soldiers were there a lot of money were spent but the actual problem was not tackled there it was just like more like cure just symptoms but not the real problem which is how to build an institution to have a democratic process in a country inclusion of people in decision making and also believe on the rights of others so that was uh like i said as you know most of politicians or decision mak makers their talks and works are different yes they talk nice peace is good and we should prevent the war but in the same time they just promoting the war and so that was history will repeat but in different forms because the world is changing but we need that was the reason i mentioned before we have to invest now to prevent the wars the future for the next 50 years not one or two years investing on education governance poverty and all these things is important the money we spend on war we have to spend it on peace on prevent the conflicts and others so maybe logically it doesn't make sense for the politicians but for the irish people in all these regions and the countries they want peace education good confusion life and nobody wants to be in the war forever war is what i said is for whatever reason it's bad because you know in the peace process this is peacemaking or peacekeeping peace building we always just focus on peace making but we are not focusing on peace building which is a long-term process because then another war is starting attention is changing from that in 90s when the soviets left afghanistan attention changed from afghanistan then the tourism emerged and then said problem 11 has happened we start another war in afghanistan now the u.s left afghanistan the region and also the international community forget afghanistan but we know there is many other extreme elements or just working in afghanistan to destabilize region and also destabilize beyond the region but we are not focusing on that how to solve how to create a dialogue because when i say we don't know exactly how it will end up on some war the reason is that you don't have a space for dialogue for constructive dialogue and discussion and others is not existing so it is forgot but then ukraine is started or another place started just you are working on peacemaking but forget the peace building part of that if we have a one-piece building solve then we go to the next one will not happen that so that was the history is repeating in the same way thank you as mr chaudhary also said that the absence of war is not peace it takes a lot more to build peace and afghanistan i think is the perfect example the war is technically over but there is no peace jane we are sitting in dubai and this region is home to some of the world's most intractable conflicts the israel-palestine conflict is one and even after the abraham accords one sees that the fault lines tend to resurface uh the latest one over the killing of a journalist a very unfortunate incident the yemen conflict is far from resolved syria is very much in the throes of violence what will it take uh for these wars to end and these are all wars that have no winners i think we all send ourselves all to the depths of despair um everywhere you look there's persistent violent conflict um it seems true that not one of the major monotheistic traditions in the world today can control its fringes um it's fanatics not one uh indeed what we see increasingly are leaders uh speaking to the fringes to foment uh violence hatred a disregard for other human beings and we see it everywhere this certainly is a region beset by conflict but no region is free of it how do these end why do they end when they do what factors combine to prevent wars from ending you know is there a political economy of war where people are profiteering from the persistent violence of course there is how do we recognize the signs that peace building has taken hold we think we know what pause they are intellectually right we think their representative governance broadly representative governance right economic opportunity for as many as possible and robust civil society based on the rule of law so those three attributes are pretty uncontroversial we think they're characteristics of a capable society and what's the sign is it elections i don't think so i don't think elections are a sign of almost anything really um when a government can collect non-coerced revenues from its citizens that we reinvested in the country it's a little more of a durable sign so what will it take i only know one thing uh to take to that would take us out of a toxic cycle whether it's a toxic political cycle or a toxic violence cycle and that's for winners to be generous and it's proving difficult today i agree yasuhid nakayama there is another conflict that that the world is bracing itself for in the region that we call home china has been practicing the invasion of taiwan and practicing the invasion and spelling it out in so many words do you think that that is where the next threat will be and do you think that there is now uh the political will to stop misadventures of this nature i think this is a very important question because uh as a afghanistan gentleman said uh before peace building if the next war begins what is hap what's happening i mean the it's turn it over again and again and again so for example me all the worldwide media only focusing on ukraine buddha now but how about the myanmar burma there is also doing some human rights activities from the strong military government and so what what about the taiwan strait so after ukraine situation in beijing by russians uh if the china learn if the smart xi jinping is smart i i don't think he's going to invade try to invade taiwan but there is of course a possibility and there is a some luck if there i think he is thinking though the two two ways one is a peaceful way the other one is uh forcing by the military action i mean the chinese pla and which option he's going to choose is i think it depends on the the world leader of the the super power is which is the united states of america with the president biden's administration if the xi jinping think until the biden's administration is continuously or the suddenly stopped by the democracy of the united states citizens american citizens before the biden over or even after biden the china do try to do action within that point the time of the period so this is one of the real the way of thinking by the i think the chinese some high position people but once if they try to invade the taiwan taiwan and japan is really close geopolitically only one 110 kilometers the closest point so chinese military already calculated inside of the aziz anti-denial air you know defense region including our nation so once war begins against taiwan i think the japan and also there is okinawa island we which has uh the us military is exist so the us and japan have to you know in the china tried to involve with the two countries so um i hope that the china xi jinping will select not the militaristic way but the peaceful way so that is my uh personal opinion hope we all live you know before the ukraine war began we all said that logic dictates that this is just uh posturing and vladimir putin is not going to invade but we saw how that played out but marco i would want you to weigh in on this and and do you believe that the world is going to actively make moves to ensure that another invasion slash war does not happen and it's it's difficult to sanction russia as it is it's going to be that a lot more difficult to decouple from china this is extremely important uh topic and uh to ask what shall be done in in order to avoid further wars or uh like you mentioned the possibility of china to to attack taiwan i am pretty much sure that president being following very closely what's happening in the war of russia against ukraine and also how the world reacts to this uh in terms of sanctions but also in terms of global activity on the level of united nations for instance so it really matters a lot if ukraine will win this war and actually i don't know is this your intentional sort of uh secret here on a stage to have a colors which resemble to me ukrainian flag blue and yellow or if not then it's uh you know it's good to see at least that we're sitting here in under these kind of colors because it really uh connects us to the much more peaceful world because if ukraine can sustain as a democracy as a country with territorial integrity and sovereignty then this gives to signal to anyone that the war what they gonna launch will will get international response international response that that actually prevents perhaps other leaders to uh to try to do the same but this is in order to to achieve this we we have today to really put a lot of energy international diplomatic also military in terms sending weaponry to ukraine for very brave fight for their freedom and from that depends very much in which kind of world we will leave tomorrow right um i think one of the reasons why the world goes into conflict if i may is also because too much power rests in the hands of a handful of people and they dictate policies and politics i remember reading a very interesting story that involves japan and the us and you mentioned uh the attack and uh back then the u.s secretary of war um you know they had a list of the cities in japan that were to be bombed and uh kyoto was on the list and this gentleman had been to kyoto on his honeymoon and so he'd seen the rich culture and beauty of the city and so he struck off kyoto and he put nagasaki there and uh it was a very telling story because it shows you how some people and their whims and fancies can seal the fate of of millions of people i think uh as you said we need more inclusion in decision making and that is one way to to end conflict at least theoretically i think that would be a good point to end on thank you very much [Music] you
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