um yes i think uh all neighbors of russia and also the countries that depend on russia feel the impact of the war and the world is such today that a conflict or a war in any remote part of the world impacts everyone which is why we're seeing inflation and that's another security uh challenge food security has been threatened uh you've seen war from various vantage points you've been a reporter you've been part of various u.n bodies and then you were a policy maker in afghanistan in this day and age what do you think drives countries to fight military conflicts why do you think conversations fail and while i'm while i'm asking you a question i also want to ask since you've seen afghanistan and the way afghanistan has has suffered the consequences of war do you think ukraine is going down the same road okay thank you very much and good morning to everyone and also thank you for invitation and also i extend my condolences to the people of the uae and the government by the debt of their president which has happened recently uh yes in the last 50 years which is a half a century i have seen firsthand all kinds of war in afghanistan occupation intervention civil war proxy wars war on terror whatever you just call it and everyone including myself my family we are victims of this war we lost our friends and so in conclusion i can say is uh there is no good or bad war there is like there is no good and bad terrorist uh war is war and uh as a churchill was saying georgia is better than war war always we have to prevent the wars that is more important cookie things once the war is happened you violate all kinds of laws human rights and the irish people women and children they will suffer so the war in afghanistan still has not ended we are still in war we don't know how this war will expand or will end what will be the consequences of this war to the region and beyond the region because still you know one thing's really bothered me most of the politician or decision makers their talks and walks are not the same for example in the case of afghanistan we were just fighting against terrorism al-qaeda but the leader of al-qaeda was in pakistan but the family of al-qaeda is living in iran the bin laden so that was the reason unless the governments of all nations especially our neighbors in our region if they support the non-state actors as a policy to destabilize other countries i think the war will not end because the the war will change from state to state war which is already happening ukraine we have seen it but there is you know the war which is non-state actor which is uh you know they are more dangerous to afghanistan and also to the region in order to prevent wars and solve the wars when i say why we cannot end the war in afghanistan soon because still we don't have a space for dialogue how to reshape the future of afghanistan the same group taliban they will control which they deprived the woman's children and others they don't have a constitution they don't believe on laws you know they prevent education and everything or it will be expanded to the region also so my to prevent the war in the future we have to send our mindset we have to which is mentioned before we have to have a sincere dialogues to create a mechanism for bring peace and stability invest in the peace process especially invest in education good governance and poverty poverty in others because otherwise we will have another generation of extremism which will emerge because when i say 50 years in afghanistan i am the fourth generation my father myself my children my grandchildren we are in this war because of the wrong policies in 80s we are suffering now if we make a wrong policies you know for get or ignore the problem in afghanistan this will we have a pet in the next 10 15 years so that was the reason is uh we have to invest on the peace and also prevent the wars like nowadays you know preventive uh medicine is better to curative or distorted justice better than punitive justice so preventive war is more important than to have a peace because one you destroy everything then you just say okay let's have a peace uh so yes that is important to prevent the war we have a saying you cannot wash blood with blood then you should have a peace like you gave a good example from japan yes what has happened but now you have a peace you have a good relation there should be a model for our neighbors for the regions and also to the world thank you very well said i'm afraid preventing wars does not suit the military-industrial complex and so we have wars and there's politics as well but you spoke about people suffering the consequences of bad policy and uh currently jane i think the work the west led by the us would have the world believe that sanctions are the best policy to end a war or to check the expansionism of a particular country but when america waged a war in countries like afghanistan for whatever reasons they did not face any sanctions they had the united nations you talked about mechanisms for peace has been incapacitated by the veto power that some countries get to exercise the united nations actively supported a state sponsor of terror like pakistan do you believe that that this has created an imbalance which is also triggering very violent reactions from some places like like russia you said that it's it's not passive but it's it's also probably the third law of newton uh first if you'll forgive me i'd like to add my condolences to those of my colleagues for the loss of your president and may i also say i'm deeply humbled um to be sitting here uh i'm neither fluent in japanese nordari or pashto or estonian or hindi or any other language and you humble me um with your command not only of english but of the concepts and that you deliver with a degree of humanity um that i really admire the united states is not responsible for the war in ukraine that's the punchline i think of your question and i defy anyone uh who would argue that it is in any way this is as people have described it naked aggression but how do we prevent conflict i mean what's our theory of the case why are people killing each other under certain circumstances what moves people to choose violence i mean people willing riot but they won't engage in a systematic campaign of violence unless they are led so violent conflict war is a phenomenon of leadership and do we see it coming i mean we live in an age when we know before victims do that they will be victims we live in an age when we know before victims do that they will be victims and what are we doing about it sanctions you raise the the issue of sanctions uh they're an imperfect tool everyone knows that um the sanctions that have been levied by 50 or 51 countries against russia are unprecedented in their scale and scope we also know that over 150 countries have not joined the sanctions regime what are they designed to do they're they are designed to send a very clear message they are designed uh to inflict uh pain um and they they really are designed to limit the capacity for war if you want to prevent the outbreak of violence that's one task if you want to prevent the spread of violence or the continuation of violence you need to create military and financial fire breaks to that violence and sanctions in this case is in part designed to do that marco uh sanctions uh are also dictated by politics and the political exigencies of the countries that impose sanctions so while we were discussing earlier that india has come under a fair bit of pressure for buying russian oil apple which is a very small fraction of what india buys and europe depends on russian oil and is is realizing the cost of this dependence but do you think that sanctions also fail because there is a lot of hypocrisy and or inconsistency in the way they are deployed of course the world is imperfect like also the peace can be imperfect as i mentioned earlier but what is left for us to do if we don't want to go into total madness meaning a world war as we have witnessed in the past where millions and millions across the world perished so we know what could happen if we won't do our global efforts to stop this what's happening right now in ukraine our parliament actually passed a resolution just a couple of weeks ago calling or naming this what is happening there as the channel side we know that that this is the case has been in in the past in different regions in the world and that actually sometimes we have been as a global actor is very reactive to this allowing millions to be to be perished exterminated and in this regard if our goal is to achieve peace peace which really means peace not just another frozen conflict another just the solution where many people actually suffer after the peace is uh agreed up and then uh sanctions is you know perhaps uh the last resort we can go uh as countries will desire for peace and and i know how difficult is among european nations today for instance to uh argue for uh not only importance of uh oil embargo for instance orgasm against russian federation i know that even today this moment we speak here in dubai the foreign ministers are in brussels trying to conclude the deal on on oil embargo but uh eventually we end up there because if we do want to end this conflict as soon as possible we have to make sure that war machine which gets money and resources for this kind of uh activity uh must be punished [Music] you
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